Political Discourse in the Age of Obama

political debate

(From Actual Conversations)

ME

So why do you hate President Obama so much?

THEM

Are you kidding? He’s worse than Hitler. He’s destroyed America.

ME

Then I have to wonder what country we’re living in. How exactly has he done that?

THEM

He’s a dictator, a tyrant, a king, a monarch.

ME

Even assuming that’s true, you surely must realize that Republicans in Congress have opposed him bitterly at every turn – even on things they formerly supported. Wouldn’t you say that rather limits his potential for dictating, tyrannizing, kinging, monarching and Hitlering?

THEM

Well, Obummer bypasses Congress with his dirty tricks. He’s issued all these executive orders, which is absolutely unprecedented.  He should be impeached for that.

ME

Actually, every president issues executive orders. And quite often they’re in defiance of Congress.

THEM

Yeah, well… Ovomit has issued more of them than any other president.

ME

Actually, he’s issued the fewest per year of any president since Grover Cleveland.

THEM

Yeah, well… it’s not just the number, it’s the kind of executive order that matters. I mean, Obeyme has used his office to give amnesty to illegal aliens. Just because he’s a foreigner himself. He ought to be impeached for that.

ME

Actually, many presidents have granted amnesty to undocumented aliens.  Reagan and Bush Sr. did so without Congressional approval. Should we impeach them all retroactively? What makes Obama different, other than his ethnic heritage?

THEM

Now there you go. Why do liberals always have to bring up race?

ME

I seem to recall that a non-liberal introduced the topic of the president’s roots and supposed foreign birth. Whether or not I’m a “liberal” is irrelevant, but race is sometimes very relevant, or at least potentially so. Because sometimes it’s the only reasonable explanation for the way some people behave. And that’s certainly the case when it comes to the obsessive hatred of President Obama.

THEM

Well, I don’t hate him just because he’s a nigger. Makes no difference to me. I hate him because he’s a dictator, a tyrant, a king, a monarch. He’s worse than Hitler. Just look at the whole socialism thing.

ME

What socialism thing is that?

THEM

Come on, he’s a socialist. Everybody knows that.

ME

Socialists themselves don’t know it. They find it quite amusing that some people believe Obama to be one of them.

THEM

Well, what would they know? Rush Limbaugh says he’s a socialist. Just look at Obamacare. It’s socialized medicine. Just like Hitler. He ought to be impeached for it.

ME

What is your definition of socialism?

THEM

Well… I don’t really have one. But Glenn Beck says it’s socialized medicine. And Obarfbag has rammed it down everyone’s throats, even though nobody wants it. Just like Hitler.

ME

It’s true that most Americans will say they oppose “Obamacare”, if you use that word. But if you ask them about what the Affordable Care Act actually does, an overwhelming majority support it. So the president has been placed in the difficult position of giving Americans what they want, even though they’ve been convinced that it’s something they hate and fear.

THEM

Oh yeah? I bet people don’t really want death panels.

ME

Agreed. And exactly what passage in the ACA provides for death panels? Have you actually read it?

THEM

No, but Sarah Palin says it has death panels. And I’m sure she’s read it. She’s very smart.

ME

Moving right along. Is there anything else that prompts you to hate Obama?

THEM

Sure, lots of things.

ME

Such as?

THEM

He lies.

ME

Ah, that might explain the animosity. No other politician has ever lied before. But how significant are his lies? On a scale one to ten, with one being “I did not have sex with that woman” and ten being “WMDs in Iraq” — or reverse the polarity if your values are those of the political and media mainstream — just how damaging have been whatever lies he’s told?

THEM

He’s lied, and he should be impeached for it. Take that global warming crap. It’s worse than Hitler.

ME

So you don’t believe global warming is a problem?

THEM

Hell no. It snowed in Montana last week.

ME

And no doubt it also snowed in Wasila. But other than that, what convinces you that global warming is a hoax? How much professional training and experience have you had in climate science?

THEM

None. But Sean Hannity says global warming is a fraud.

ME

I guess that settles it then.

THEM

You’d realize it too if you weren’t so brainwashed by the liberal media.

ME

Of course. Why do you suppose the president would pursue the effort to combat global warming if it doesn’t exist?

THEM

It’s just one of Hussein’s ways of wrecking the economy.  Just like Hitler. And he needs to be impeached for it.

ME

Actually, the economy has been improving at a pretty steady pace under “Hussein”.  Unemployment is at its lowest since 2008. Gas prices are at their lowest since 2010. Home construction has more than doubled. The deficit has experienced its largest reduction since World War II. Consumer Confidence Index has risen from an all-time low of 37.7 to at least 83. And the rate of growth for corporate profits under him absolutely dwarfs that of any other president – which doesn’t t do much for your “socialism thing”.

THEM

You really like to throw statistics around, don’t you?

ME

Sorry, I guess that’s not playing fair.

THEM

You don’t really believe he had anything to do with any of that, do you?

ME

So he has total power to destroy the economy, but no power at all to improve it?

THEM

Well, I suppose he could improve it if he wanted to. But he wants to make Americans suffer.

ME

Why?

THEM

That’s just what liberals do. They’re worse than Hitler.

ME

There’s a limit to how far you can go in blaming “liberals” for your problems. We could debate how much influence any president has on the economy. But what’s beyond question is that the economy has improved while Obama’s been in office. And since that also happens under just about every other Democratic president, it’s probably not just coincidence.

THEM

Well, the economy may have improved a little bit, but it’s still really crappy.

ME

If so, it indicates what terrible shape it was in when Obama came along. His predecessor demolished the economy along with many other things. If you’re looking for someone to accuse of trying to “destroy” America, maybe Bush would be a better place to start.

THEM

Well, you have your opinion and I have mine.

ME

Unquestionably. But this is not a matter of opinion. If you’re interested, I can provide plenty of solid facts and figures that add up to a blistering indictment of the Bush administration.

THEM

Why do you hate America so much?

6 thoughts on “Political Discourse in the Age of Obama

  1. Hello POP,

    I’ve always thought that, of all the GOPs propaganda, the lies which truly reveal that, people like Limbaugh, Rove, and Palin, although sounding insane, are really crazy like a fox—especially those responsible for the fine fictional news outlet of the same name! It requires an absolute Genius and sinister dedication, to actually cause lower and middle class Voters, fear the very changes in the (the ACA) that will benefit them the most? The bizarre and absurd rumors spread about Obama online, are laughable, yet somehow, Republicans have succeeded in sewing them into the 24 hour American new cycle by using what can only be described as techniques so ingeniously deceiving that just telling these same lies over and over, has accomplished political manipulations that rival the very big lies told by notorious Despots like Hitler and Stalin.
    I especially like your mention of the fact that the economy has improved by leaps and bounds at the hands of a supposedly raving socialist like the President. Really! The GOP’s bullshit, rates right up there with the Midnight inquirer, the “Daily snooper,” or the heros any kind of supermarket scandal rag! And considering how much big business appeasers like Obama have been, it’s truly ironic and laughable that he is actually considered a socialist?

    But, I hope not all of the conversations you reference here are verbatim examples of conversations you have actually had. i.e. “Well I don’t hate him because he is a niger.” and, “No, but Sarah Palin says it has death panels, and I’m sure she read it. She’s very smart!”

    Its also amazing that so many Americans care so little about politics, that they blame the Party for occupying the white house—no matter what Obama may, or may not, have done? On top of that, I’ve heard that only about 30% of eligible voters actually showed up at the polls? The Republican leadership along with Democratic leader to some extent, must be relieved by just how such an ill-informed, uninterested, and easily fooled electorate like ours, is to deceive.

    I also just can’t believe how easily a black President with a Muslim sounding name defeated a Republican opponent like Romney—If not for the fact that his own health care proposals in Massachusetts were very similar to those in the ACA. Were this not the case,he surely would not have stood a ghost of a chance!

    And just a nod for including the list of unflattering and sophomoric names used to reference the President— including—Obummer, Ovomit, Obeyme, and last but not least, Obarfbag. As a loyal supporter of the president, I can still find humor in such adolescent ,plays on words. since they are typically uttered in ways that are much more comical than they were intended to be. The psyche of our very ill-informed electorate, deserves to be laughed at because of is childish sarcasm–since such humor easily reveals much more about those who would benefit by such outrageous lies, than it would for most of us mere mortals, peons and pawns in the game.

    Thanks again

    and

  2. An unusual expression of obsessive hatred of President Obama:

    Atlantea the Beautiful — a right-wing “cartoon” that tries (emphasis on “tries”) to poke fun at Obama, but still manages to spread nearly every lie told about him, plus some I haven’t heard before.

    http://atlantea-baloo.blogspot.com/

    It starts off rather tame, so you might want to read it backwards. In addition to everything else, the cartoonist comes across as a virulent racist.

  3. Wow Yes!

    Actually I couldn’t make it to the end without feeling the urge to throw up. If anything Obama urged everyone involved to adhere to the rule of law and not pursue violent solutions for revenge. What does he have to do—sky write it above the white house each day? I guess if those in Atlanta are right, we had better take care not to lose OUR AMERICA. None of these me first patriots, has the vaguest knowledge about what a Democracy stands for, let alone what it takes to defend it!

  4. One of the “cartoons” has PaleoSarah confronting Bobo with a pile of corpses, claiming they died from his “Bobocare” system.

    Since Bobo, PaleoSarah, and Bobocare are thinly veiled (and in Bobo’s case grossly insulting) caricatures of Obama, Palin, and the ACA, I did a search on the Internet looking for support for this claim, and found very little.

    There is an article by Ann Coulter who claims that her younger sister died while waiting to sign up for health insurance instead of taking something else.

    There are numerous reports of Michelle Bachman claiming that the ACA will kill literally thousands.

    There is the claim that all persons over 75 will no longer receive major medical procedures (debunked by Snopes):

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/over75.asp

    But the only thing I could find that claimed the ACA actually killed someone was the report that a “death panel” ordered the execution of an 86-year old woman for being no longer useful. Only, the original article was a parody-hoax that was taken seriously by conservative bloggers:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/nov/11/americannewscom/first-execution-under-obamacare-death-panels-pants/

    Then there’s this gem:

    “Bloggers say Obamacare coding system could usher in beheadings”

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jan/02/blog-posting/bloggers-say-obamacare-coding-system-could-usher-b/

    So, the “Atlantea” claim that people have died under Obamacare is a bald-faced lie.

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